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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 11:23 am 
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Doug, some of the videos were: Roof and rib control, Inby Roof support,
'It can happen to you' (Roof Control) , Stay out of the danger zone(Continuous miner safety), SCSR donning demo. Preshift exam. of underground mines(Mercury Slope)
Timbering in anthracite mines, Building a three piece set, Locating and rescue of trapped miners, and the highlight of them all 'We are MSHA' :evil: :roll:


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Thanks

I got a whole box of materials from MSHA last week. I was wondering how they taylor the Pa. Anthracite training.

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I don't know if they still show the greatest of all MSHA productions, "How to SLAM risks" or something like that but it is a all time classic in my book. The only other production that even comes close to that is the one they did on proper labeling of containers.

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ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

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:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


(Chris, I'm not trying to be agrumentive. Really, I'm not)


What office governs Anthracite New Miner Training? I want a persons name and phone number?

I spoke to a guy at:

Bureau of Mine Safety
5 West Laurel Boulevard
Pottsville, PA 17901
570-621-3139

Now he may be an idiot, but, he inidcated that "new miner" was MSHA based and should be the same Pa. Anty = Pa Bitty = Ind. Bitty.

I have a copy of the Part 48 Underground Instructors Guide, all 5 inches of it. And a couple of modules do indicate the differences in Anty and Bitty. But, MSHA does not seem to have a seperate course either. ??


The base question is:

If an Ind. (bitty) New Miner will not work in Pa. Anty. Would a Pa. Anty work for an Ind. Bitty ?

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Best thing I could tell you to is to talk to the powers that be in Indiana. The more I think about it I think the new miner training is good nationwide. But to be employed as a actual Anthracite Coal Miner in PA you have to work in the Anthracite Mines of PA for two years.

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An Indiana mine will hire an inexperienced miner with 32 hours of training ( plus 8 hours on-site ). If it is an MSHA approved course it's good.

The guy I talked to in Pottsville indicated that was the same for Pa.

BUT a New-hire is considered a laborer for the first two years. Then can get their Pa. Miner Cert.

For practical purposes, I fail to see a distinction. Laborer and "miner" are both in a mine working. It may have to do with specific task allowed or the amount of supervision.

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doug, you are correct that a person can be employed in a mine after 32 hours of msha plus 8 on site training but to recieve your Pa Anthracite miners certification you must be emplyed in an anthracite mine at minimum of 2 years. The Pa anthracite miners certification is a step above and beyond the new miner training required by MSHA. I believe it is for doing blasting along with other things without supervision by a certified miner or a foreman.

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Form 5000-23 32 hour - U/G in hand.

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nice now all ya have to do is come out here and take the 4 day course.

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I really do like the idea, however.

1) I don't know any mines hiring,

2) The commute is hellacious.

3) I only have time for a limited number of 4-day courses.

4) There is that little detail about the difference between Anty 32-hour and MSHA 32-hour.

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the main difference is, anty is better and the only way :wink:

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Then let's figure out how to put one of the fancy anty mines here or tie a chain around your mountains and drag them about 10 hours closer.

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we have a crew working on that right now. gonna move our mine to the back yard....... ill let ya know how it works out. 8)

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It is a well-known fact that you want a mine in your backyard. ( Might be hard in the apartment complex). But what about my backyard?

Maybe I should check my neighbor's well drill records. There is a good chance of a couple of veins of coal within the top 150 feet. And I own the mineral rights. It's just kind of hard to get a permit for only an acre and a half.

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Scratch that.

There is nothing in the first 250'. My luck.

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