yep, he is the big instigator! hmm, now that makes me wonder how many other battles he started.......

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well, put it this way, a Ford tractor is better than ANY kind of dodge.

banks, i can't tell you where it is. some dodge-lover might come by and try to start trouble.

and chris, when did i ever instigate anything other than drinking?!

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No not him......
John. that is a very nice piece , and im sure that there is many more to come. That is how it always starts.

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We always seem to have these wars, but the race track always has something to say when it comes to which truck is better..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94v-F_7sXMA

Dodge always pulls ahead..

Miner Greg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJePwradHIc

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GREG you have to be kidding me . THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY POINT. IF YOU HAVE A TRUCK USE AS A TRUCK. The track does not proove a damn thing to me what so ever. THE END

All I know is that I have put the Super Duty through EXTREME paces & has NEVER FAILED. Even almost lost the whole truck & trailer over a highwall. Screw the track for trucks the real work is in the field .

My truck 300,000 miles

My friends 545,000 miles (his is 1yr older than mine)

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I'm not much on track test either. And I'm less on new technology.

Right now I'm back to driving my '79 Chevy with 385,000 miles. My new fancy '01 Jimmy is dead for lack of another fuel pump. My '92 Blazer went though about 8 pumps before the tranny gave out.

Amen on the technology Doug......plain and simple it sucks! There is a time and place for modern equipment but IMO a mine sight isn't one of them, not in the Anthracite anyway. It's funny when you see 40 year old Michigan and Cat loaders running around like there is no tomorrow and Draglines with 1960's era GE controls that run like clockwork going to town and the Dragline that is down because they have to have a board shipped in from Germany for one of the drives sits there! And to top it off it just doesn't have the umph that it had when it still had it's analog controls. You can have a "modern" breaker, and I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts 80% of your down time is going to be from some computer somewhere. Sometimes I think we go just a little crazy with NEW and IMPROVED.

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I do agree - - - I think we pass the feasability means in some cases that too much computer technology hurts more than helps. The labor issues sometimes out weigh the technology issues on the flip side of that thought to.

On a more of a mfg. note. The good old machines did not help with the American factories. We built the stuff too damn good. I get on & run equipment still from the 20's & 40's myself. It has a certain feel that the new equipment does not. Too good means if we do not wear it out then the factories go out of business with the lack of orders. Step back and take a look how many factories are now gone creating a nice void for China to gear up & fill that void faster than we can re-tool up. What would the solution be if America where to start mfg. again? Build a heavy duty product again or a lesser quality product to keep everyone employed ?

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Don't get me wrong there definitly is a time for computers and the like but I still think in just about any mining situation or heavy construction that equipment from the 1940's through the early 1980's holds it's own. The stuff might be big slow and heavy but it keeps going and going and going! Theres a reason why you could get parts for a 1950's michigan or hough loader, because they work and still can compete with modern machines of the same size. And there are many more examples of this. About the only place I can think that computers are really a godsend is in a office but even than they get over used sometimes.

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and so explains how we can pull a mine motor out of a culm pile half burried in rock for dozens of years, do a half hours worth of work to it, add a battery and watch it run! oh yea....... it was built in 1926!

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FORD = Found On Road Dead.
FORD= Fix Or Repair Daily

A little humor here fellas....Just joking Ford lovers, don't take it personally.

Ray

I know I used to love me a Detroit Diesel engine in a truck until they were bought by that "other" Chrysler company. I still like the Mercedes side of it though.
Those things could pull w/o having to drop six gears.

Now they're mostly foreign parts and fall apart all the time.
~S

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wait whos the other Chrysler company?


ford runs detroits.

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Detroit Diesel was a Division of Allisons, Which was GM.

But I'm thinking that Allison's was bought by Rolls or M. Benz